The problem with not taking the penalty is that we won't necessarily
get to the right spot. This will be a difficult hand to describe to
partner after the overcall. I'll just take my sure plus.
[I don't see why. If you start with
[Will we reach a slam on the second example? We will if partner has the
I'd rather pass and play for penalties than bid 3N at my first turn, by the way.
Upon further reflection, the 3NT rebid was probably premature,
although I can't think of anything else to do. Partner's actual
hand is very close to a slam. Make a small spade a small diamond
Jeff: I think those sequences are different. The latter one focusses on the minors, because the double shows the minors, thus the sequence focusses on strain decision. There are 3NT-delayed- by-a-negative-double auctions that are less clear, however; I agree. Yes, the general idea is that the slow 3NT suggests other contracts. When they just bid one suit, however, the most likely doubt is that one's spade stop isn't good enough. Typically, that's a holding like Axx.
Dan: I think that he would never bid
Jeff: That could be true, but I think that the auctions starting
Dan: [...partner's actual hand is very close to a slam...] I believe that this is precisely why the cue/3NT sequence should be more flexible. These hands come up more often than the doubtful spade stop hands.
Jeff: I disagree with this. I could have cued on the first
round to suggest diamonds. I could have bid
Dan: If I were at the table, and I
passed at my first turn, I know in my heart it's 100 to 1 that partner
And why does that never seem to happen to anybody but me?
Jeff: Could be worse. My partners always seem to
I wonder: if partner reopens with
Both: Good hand---lots of theory and some interesting judgment.